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Thanks for the article - it's weird that I'm now g...

2009-10-17T21:25:18.167-07:00

Thanks for the article - it's weird that I'm now going to have to pirate Open Source stuff. Someone give me a shout if you know of a better alternative please.

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2009-06-25T18:40:42.201-07:00

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thanks for letting us know of this. to be honest I...

2009-03-09T14:41:00.000-07:00

thanks for letting us know of this. to be honest I installed DD-WRT this weekend and even wrote a tutorial on my blog about how to install it. after reading this I think I'll unninstall it.

I fully support the open source community who works for the interest of everyone and I hate when a smart guy comes in and shits on others people work only caring with himself.

i was about to download and install dd-wrt. your p...

2009-03-05T21:52:00.000-08:00

i was about to download and install dd-wrt. your post is like an eye opener. of course this too need not necessarily be true. it might as well be, but how are we to know?

Anyway i'll stick with x-wrt or openwrt.

Richard Branson say before ,sue the bastard.

2009-02-26T09:58:00.000-08:00

Richard Branson say before ,sue the bastard.

i agree with the blogger, i got the sad eunuch wrt...

2009-02-24T04:10:00.000-08:00

i agree with the blogger, i got the sad eunuch wrt54g v5.0 router and i wanted to run a linux based firmware. i had no option than go dd-wrt via bitsum. then i upgraded to the next micro edition. and then i was like "this DD-WRT" sucks ass man. too many ad and ad campaign and begging for money via licence/donation. which is a piss off. now along with 2 wrt54gl's and 1 wrt54g? i am going openwrt. well what more can we say to this? and even the firmware is clumsy and the shell is not as powerful as openwrt. what more can i say? like what someone said before "Hello OpenWRT!" and beside there is also an article on how to compile openwrt for wrt54g v5 in openwrt forum? i guess that post and other and many more dialogue saved my day. thank you very much open source, god bless open source.
-annoying mouse and coward aka paul

While looking for info on dd-wrt I found this post...

2009-02-05T15:56:00.000-08:00

While looking for info on dd-wrt I found this post. I will not pay for it and I will take extreme pleasure in downloading it for free from isohunt.

Your post has given a new direction in my search f...

2008-12-26T18:31:00.000-08:00

Your post has given a new direction in my search for truly FOSS firmware.

Thank you.

I am saddened to hear that dd-wrt took a turn for ...

2008-12-05T02:10:00.000-08:00

I am saddened to hear that dd-wrt took a turn for the worst, and I shall never use BS' firmware. But, I am also glad that you took the time and care to write a thorough account of his bad behavior. I wish all FOSS developers could be as vigilant and as courageous as you. God bless.

Jeremy, I too was thinking of using DD-WRT on a ne...

2008-11-13T08:09:00.000-08:00

Jeremy, I too was thinking of using DD-WRT on a new router, that is, until I ran across this issue. Thanks for publishing it and congratulations for standing on principle to expose abuses of GPL and protect FOSS developers from such exploitation.

If the shameless infringing behaviour of BS is continuing (as I presume it is) I would also encourage you to investigate the pursuit of more rigourous enforcement of GPL terms and recovery of damages/earnings gained while in breach, hence the links ...

2004 - "The GPL prevails: An analysis of the first-ever Court decision on the validity and effectivity of the GPL" - http://www.law.ed.ac.uk/ahrc/SCRIPT-ed/issue4/GPL-case.asp

2007 - "SFLC files GPL lawsuit on behalf of Busybox developers" - http://www.linux.com/feature/119355

2008 - http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/08/14/open_source_creative_commons_license_victory/

This may seem a distasteful step, but those who will not listen must be taught a hard lesson ... and if you have a solid case, it results in massive free publicity which helps educate users to be sensitive to such abuse in future. Best of luck anyhow.

I don't see how boycotting a free product is going...

2008-10-15T07:04:00.000-07:00

I don't see how boycotting a free product is going to go anywhere. I like DD-WRT and I am very grateful for all of the efforts put forth by everyone involved.

I adopted DD-WRT because I didn't have time to loo...

2008-09-29T06:57:00.000-07:00

I adopted DD-WRT because I didn't have time to look deeply at the alternatives for a WDS and DD-WRT seemed to have the most presence and therefore, I assumed, support. Their limited shell interface and some stability issues have led me to look closer.
My limited amount of time looking at the support and their provided information alone seem to support many of the accusations here...they don't provide much information about what's under the hood and seem more concerned with rebranding features from other projects rather than establishing symbiotic relationships. This could easily damage the community and the DD-WRT project itself.
Considering how widely used DD-WRT seems to be, I'd think the best option for generating revenue while supporting the community would be by offering support contracts...though for some reason the development team seems disproportionately small (again supporting some of the comments here).

I'm curious -- why not just start releasing his pr...

2008-07-31T15:02:00.000-07:00

I'm curious -- why not just start releasing his program on bittorrent along with valid serial numbers -- it seems to me that you could fight pirating with pirating -- force the program to be "freeware" at least. He would really not have any repercussion, would he?

I have used Tomato on a WRT54G v3.0 for about 1 - ...

2008-03-12T10:54:00.000-07:00

I have used Tomato on a WRT54G v3.0 for about 1 - 1.5 years. I used to use DD-WRT v23SP2, and like that, but switched to Tomato for its great bandwidth charts and related information.

I love Tomato. Jon (the main developer), releases very regular firmware patches, and the thing is chock full of features and very stable. Plus, Jon does his best to answer emails, but please try to check out online resources (including the wiki manual) before bothering him.

I am very disapointed with the way BrainSlayer has been behaving. I will never use DD-WRT again so long as he persists. I am a user who also cares about developers and someone trying to co-opt the work of others and the spirit of open source in general. He took something great and is ruining it with his greed. Very sad. Shame on you Brain Slayer. And to think I ever contributed a dime to you makes me sick now!

Jon (of Tomato) on the other hand seems to always give credit to the people who help him, especially the ones that provide significant work. He seems to value other developers and the open source ethic.

Anyway, Tomato is one great alternative. Don't take my word for it. Do a Google search of the Tomato firmware. I think you will be impressed.

Thanks,
Alan

the dd-wrt X86 version contains a closed source wi...

2008-02-21T12:37:00.000-08:00

the dd-wrt X86 version contains a closed source wireless driver from atheros, its the atheros carrier wireless driver license included, which cost serious money and is not open source - this why the x86 version cost money basically ....

I also contributed many weeks (bug fixes) -- worki...

2008-01-01T10:06:00.000-08:00

I also contributed many weeks (bug fixes) -- working with Brainslayer was not easy. I remember being close to a release candidate but he kept adding new features while all I wanted was to fix all the bugs to have something stable. Many times when adding a new feature, he'd break something.

If what you allege regarding DD-WRT is true, then ...

2007-09-03T21:54:00.000-07:00

If what you allege regarding DD-WRT is true, then why don't you sue him for GPL violation?

1) You contributed a significant portion of the DD-WRT code, so you hold the copyright on that part of the code, which he's allegedly refusing to provide the license for in the "DD-WRT commercial" version.

2) You should easily be able to prove that "DD-WRT commercial" is a derived work of "DD-WRT original". Even a non-techie judge who doesn't understand the difference between statically linked vs. dynamically linked would be able to see that the "derived work" wording applies here.

3) People often say "Oh, the GPL has never been tested in court." This seems like an open-and-shut case, assuming you can prove your contributions. (The SVN or CVS submission logs, and the timestamps on them, should go a long way towards proving that).

4) I'm pretty sure you could get the EFF to help with legal costs.

So if all that you allege is true, why not file a lawsuit in the appropriate court? (Probably the court where you live, since there's no "Jurisdiction of locality X" in the GPL).

Note that I am not a lawyer, and I am not qualified to give legal advice. This is just my non-professional opinion.

Also, when I say "allegedly", it's not because I don't believe you, it's because I haven't looked into the facts for myself and so have no basis for a firm opinion.

Hi,I am using DD-wrt for some time and was always ...

2007-08-29T06:06:00.000-07:00

Hi,
I am using DD-wrt for some time and was always happy. Was looking for an upgrade and now I come across this. Seems to be correct, I found the license in the shop.
Once I come home from work it will be x-wrt.
Incredible.
Cheers
MCS

let's all go p2p and torrent the firmware, let's h...

2007-08-23T07:57:00.000-07:00

let's all go p2p and torrent the firmware, let's have some fun!!! [i am a user who cares]

I was doing research on all the possibilities of i...

2007-08-15T13:35:00.000-07:00

I was doing research on all the possibilities of install another firmware on one of my routers so I can use it in client mode to give my XBOX wireless connectivity. I did a wikipedia search on both Open-WRT and DD-WRT because I saw that DD-WRT charges for a license. I was under the impression that it was an open source project. I then came across this post. Very interesting read. It's unfortunate that Brainslayer is a total ass, and well basically ruined something awesome.

Like a previous poster said, Hello Open-WRT.

I also dislike dd-wrt and sveasoft. I've used open...

2007-07-20T21:03:00.000-07:00

I also dislike dd-wrt and sveasoft. I've used openwrt with positive results, and also use m0n0wall these days - very awesome. Thanks for writing this article.

I appreciate your post, I was getting details in l...

2007-07-14T21:23:00.000-07:00

I appreciate your post, I was getting details in line to install DD-WRT on my Linksys when I came across your post; amazing, some people have no soul or respect for others. I've read your post and looked over things on their site, to make some things non-GPL as he has is a joke.

All I have to say is, hello OpenWRT

Thanks again for your post, people that don't play by the FOSS rules need to be identified as such. Those with any ethics will then steer clear.

Phil

I think maybe you misread the GPL somewhere. It i...

2007-06-19T09:14:00.000-07:00

I think maybe you misread the GPL somewhere. It is all about removing programmers rights in favour of consumer's rights.

You want a slippery slope? There it is right there. Once you start to take away a developer's rights, it just keeps right on snowballing.

The newest versions of the GPL promise to make the developer siutation much much worse, not better.

And once people notice it has happened, it is usually far far to late to stop it.

I was seeking for comparisons between x-wrt/tomato...

2007-06-19T06:12:00.000-07:00

I was seeking for comparisons between x-wrt/tomato/dd-wrt when I found this article.

I am a user of dd-wrt for some years now. I liked dd-wrt because I hated what Sveasoft was doing to its community...

That's enough, now seeking for comparisons between x-wrt and tomato...